Holdem manager/PT3 Huds
This forum seemed to be lacking a thread of this sort, seeing as how teh pokers is more about your opponent and his tendencies than your cards. I bought holdem manager a while ago but im pretty sure PT3 is practically the same and so the same applies to both.
What do you have on your HUD? I never really set mine up properly, i see videos all the time where the pro has about a gazillion stats that will never converge (and thus never be useful).
Mine goes:
Name/Hands/VPIP/PFR
Btn Steal/Fold BB to Steal/Flop cont bet/Fold to flop cont bet/
Fold to turn cont bet/flop aggression/turn aggression
I hate agression factor on its own, prefer to split it to flop/turn as a lot of fish play the flop like a mental patient and then the turn completely straight forward (hence why i like fold to turn cont bet).
Im pretty sure i should have a few more as i find myself frequently rolling over the stats and looking at the bigger popups (anyone who has seen me play knows i timeout sh*tloads, especially on betfair where u get a tiny clock - OT)
I know that a number of players on PL dont use a hud, imo this is a massive leak so i would like to hear your opinions as well.
Ta
I use PokerOffice2, which as an aside was rated in InsidePoker as the best HUD.
Table overlay stats i use for 6max cash are:
VPIP% - Because it's a standard mark which shows how loose or tight a player is.
Pre Flop Raise% - Ties in with the VPIP but also works with the saw flop% as if the saw flop is high but raise pre is low it indicates they like to limp and all of a sudden they're raising big pre for example it gives me good info.
Continuation Bet% - This is a recent addition and the reason i like to see this in play is because it helps me a lot when playing OOP. It gives me more confidence in check-raising with air OOP when i see someone puts in a lot of cont. bets. Generally though i just noticed people seemed to put a lot of cont. bets in so i wanted a gauge on it to try and use it to my advantage.
I have used ShowdownsWon% before and it's something loads of people advocate and it is good to know when a player on the river re-raising big has a 95% win rate you can assume you're toast usually, but i just don't like pinning my hopes in crucial river situations on a number in the corner of the screen.
I think if you've got to the river you should have all the info if played right to know where you are anyway and the stat also takes away the element of gut feel which although might not be right the whole time i think by thinking hands through from start to finish and coming to a conclusion in your own mind will aid the learning curve more then relying on computers for your river decisions.
So as you can see i base all of my stats around what happens pre flop and on the flop because i feel able to narrow down my oppos. range really well with the info so i can then act on later streets. Also i just like to play poker and so testing my reads etc. is a lot more fun and rewarding without all the maths saying i should so x,y and z on later streets.
People should just use what's best for them and if that's turn and river %s of all types then good luck to them.
I use poker office also.
Simply VPIP%, PFR% and AT.
Also have the little icon set up for 6 max - Telephone, fish, rock, etc.
Seems to work fine for .25/.50 6max games!
Nade,
What do you call a high Cont Bet% and how many hands do you deem it accurate?
As i have said before i do not use anything, i still dont understand how you can benifit from these. I play very different every time i play not intentional just mood or table. I think the best way to anylize whats going on at a table is to play for 20 minutes and then form your opinion.
As i have said before i do not use anything, i still dont understand how you can benifit from these. I play very different every time i play not intentional just mood or table. I think the best way to anylize whats going on at a table is to play for 20 minutes and then form your opinion.
You mean poker is'nt just a computer game played by mindless computer nerds with out the intellegence to form opinions of there own? Indeed so characterless that they resort to a form of cheating to defraud those who still regard gambling as a matter of honour?
Unfortunatley mate you are one of an elite band who are still more intellegent than the widely available software. So while you may not benefit the other 99% of us would, or do as the case may be.
Maybe in a couple of years the software will have surpassed your ability too, but dont worry, I cant see too many live games allowing you to plug a P.C in at the table to make your desicions for you.
Huge amount of reasons i can give for why people do, would or should use them, but simply it makes making money a lot easier.
Glen - I think 75%+ Cont. bets is high. around 50% you can then gauge they like to mix up their play.
You mean poker is'nt just a computer game played by mindless computer nerds with out the intellegence to form opinions of there own? Indeed so characterless that they resort to a form of cheating to defraud those who still regard gambling as a matter of honour?
Unfortunatley mate you are one of an elite band who are still more intellegent than the widely available software. So while you may not benefit the other 99% of us would, or do as the case may be.
Maybe in a couple of years the software will have surpassed your ability too, but dont worry, I cant see too many live games allowing you to plug a P.C in at the table to make your desicions for you.
This must be one of the most stupid ignorant replies I've ever seen.
Firstly pokertracker and similar programs are not cheating in anyway, they just display information which is already given and seen in the play.
Secondly I don't think themole has ever said that the software is bad, just that he doesn't use it, which is totally his choice.
I'd guess the reason he chooses not too, I may be completely wrong, is because he (a) doesn't multitable in large quantities as he plays quite high stakes and (b) because he is successful playing the way he has been so doesn't feel the need to change.
I still think he could benefit from using pokertracker though. Even just to review hands after a game. By doing this he could see common lines used by his opponents with certain hands and find the main leaks that the regulars at his stakes have. And for a very nominal fee it seems worth a go.
Anyway, pokertracker-like-software is by no means cheating. It is not "cheating to defraud those who still regard gambling as a matter of honour", whatever that stupid statement means.
